On 2024-06-10, Kirk Spragg <Kirk.Spragg@f420.n105.z1.fidonet> wrote:

Definitely one of my favourite series of books, well most of it at least, there are 3-5 of them I didn't feel fit the series or I couldn't get into. Great recommendation though

I've read most of them, some are quite different thats for sure. Which ones did you not like or thought didn't fit the series?

did they get? Thinking about it, India got the first mover advantage in the realm of outsourced services and China for manufacturing and commodities, I have to think that the former is going to scale better over time than the latter. We'll see how things shake out regardless, the more I read the more I get the impression that China's economy is all built on a house of cards.

It does seem like China's economy is ready to collapse in some way, as per my response to Dr What, it looks like China's regional governments' over reliance on borrowing to fund real estate projects which they try to sell for a profit has failed badly... I wonder how they'll try to fix that mess.

... Define the universe and give three examples.

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I'm centrist, maybe left-leaned. Social-democrat/eurocommunism, but with quirks.

On healthcare I'm socialistic, truly hardcore.
In my European country it's a true gem.

On telecomms, pretty classical liberal. Before
liberalisation, the state telecomm (monopoly, think
about something like AT&T but for an European country)
was expensive as hell, and long distance calls were a theft.
You paid something close to $20 back in the
day for half an hour (or an hour).
Also, prices were per minute, and once the second
hit the clock, you paid 30:00 minutes the same you
would pay for 30:59.
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On 2024-06-03, michael goodwind <michael.goodwind@f310.n229.z1.fidonet> wrote:

under capitalism there is severe exploitation
under socialism exploitation is non existant

Again history shows that just isn't the case, at uni I met a number of Russian and east european academics all of whom had horror stories of how

How do you envisage a new communist partly/state avoiding this?

Honestly the only way I envison sustainable capitalism or communism is if humans are taken out of the key positions of power. A system of checks and balances to prevent humans in power from corrupting and subverting the systems for the benefit of few to the detriment of many would be the ideal but until we figure out how to roll that out at scale, advanced AI being in place to prevent corruption seems to be the only way these 2 systems of government would sustainably work over long periods of time as intended. Until the AI itself becomes corrupted I suppose

Outside of this though Kirk's point is valid, we don't need to hypothothize on which system is superior(in the face of the above mentioned reality of humans running the show), we have enough examples over the last couple hundred years to show that capitalist or social capitalist models fare far far better in regards to overall quality of life, economic success, innovation and advancement and nearly every other metric that matters regarding human progress

Kirk - I would be curious to hear your thoughts about India vs China. And what you attribute most towards China being able to outpace India in lifting more people out of poverty faster, etc etc.

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Once we hit robotics/automization, communism and capitalism have no sense at all.
There are no economic policies, but methodology.
The system feedbacks itself; it's like cybernetics.
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